Saudi Arabia sure is one progressive place!

[Silent Dob]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/3885631/Saudi-Arabia-may-allow-cinemas-after-three-decade-ban.html

[stsparky]

That's those wacky Saudis.

[SlickWilly440]

LOL...as if the Saudi people haven't been pirating movies off the net for years.

[h2orowe]

I don't think movies are banned in SA. I mean, one of my online friends is from Saudi Arabia and she plays Guitar Hero on her playstation, so I doubt they ban movies in general. Just cinemas.

[Stephy]

Didn't know it had been banned. Like Joey, I have a online friend from there and she always talks about movies with me amongst other things, so I wasn't aware of such a ban.

Did they ever take the ban off that restricted women from driving?

[Silent Dob]

You almost had me convinced Saudi Arabia wasn't completely batshit insane. Then I found this article....


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1099447/Saudi-court-rejects-divorce-plea-EIGHT-year-old-girl-married-58-year-old-man.html

[archdukezeb]

Saudi Arabia may be great and all but you can't beat the Iranian justice system. http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/12/14/iran.acid.justice/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

That way of doing things has been working for almost 4000 years now why change?

[Fermented Yeast Paste]

You almost had me convinced Saudi Arabia wasn't completely batshit insane. Then I found this article....


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1099447/Saudi-court-rejects-divorce-plea-EIGHT-year-old-girl-married-58-year-old-man.html
lol Saudia Arabia gets far worse than this.

Gang rape victim? 200 lashes for you. (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/11/17/saudi.rape.victim/)

[Samurai_Pooh]

How sad is must be to grow up in a such a repressive place

[Roxie]

And in Galveston, TX, USA they like to charge 12 year old girls for resisting arrest after plain clothes officers mistake her for a prostitute and beat her. (http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2008/12/galveston_false_arrest.php)

[Fermented Yeast Paste]

Hell, let's just throw in some love from the UAE while we're at it.

Raped by three men? You could be prosecuted for homosexual activity. (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/01/world/middleeast/01dubai.html)

And in Galveston, Texas they like to charge 12 year old girls for resisting arrest after plain clothes officers mistake her for a prostitute and beat her. (http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2008/12/galveston_false_arrest.php)
I'm not surprised in the least she's black, either.

[Silent Dob]

"An Iranian woman, blinded by a jilted stalker who threw acid in her face, has persuaded a court to sentence him to be blinded with acid himself under Islamic law demanding an eye for an eye.

Ameneh Bahrami refused to accept "blood money." She insisted instead that her attacker suffer a fate similar to her own "so people like him would realize they do not have the right to throw acid in girls' faces," she told the Tehran Provincial Court."


You know, that actually does sound pretty just to me. Give the crazy, evil bastard a taste of his own medicine. Though I'm sure Iran has more fucked-up sentencings than good ones like this.

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"Update: This is from the officers' lawyer, William Helfand:

Both the daughter and the father were arrested for assaulting a peace officer. "The father basically attacked police officers as they were trying to take the daughter into custody after she ran off."

Also, "The city has investigated the matter and found that the conduct of the police officers was appropriate under the circumstances," Helfand says. "It's unfortunate that sometimes police officers have to use force against people who are using force against them. And the evidence will show that both these folks violated the law and forcefully resisted arrest."


Corrupt cops always got each other's back. I bet they're going to try to send the little girl to juvie, I hope the jury gives her a couple million and sends all the cops to prison.

[mawande]

Raped by three men? You could be prosecuted for homosexual activity. (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/01/world/middleeast/01dubai.html)


E-hem. Current report on THAT. (http://boycottdubai.com/index_new_E.php)

[Charrington]

I don't think movies are banned in SA. I mean, one of my online friends is from Saudi Arabia and she plays Guitar Hero on her playstation, so I doubt they ban movies in general. Just cinemas.

Didn't know it had been banned. Like Joey, I have a online friend from there and she always talks about movies with me amongst other things, so I wasn't aware of such a ban.

Did they ever take the ban off that restricted women from driving?

They don't ban movies altogether, but they censor them and a lot are banned. Just like in China though I understand Saudi Arabia has a decent bootleg movie market where you can get your hands on whatever. And yes, women still aren't allowed to drive.

[h2orowe]

I was more responding to SlickWilly because he made it sound like they had to illegally download movies to see them.

[Kannon]

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/brief.cfm?id=51983

Yes, thread is about SA, however the majority of their nonsensical decisions come from the Islamic religion, so my link stands. After hearing this girl's last conversation on this Earth be one to a 911 operator about how her father has executed her sister, and shot her in the stomach (or wherever) until she bleeds to death, I can't help but be sick to my stomach hearing about any fucked up "honor killing" and/or raping where the one commiting the crime doesn't get what they deserve. Yes, this guy is Egyptian, but if you dig in to this story enough you find out it was an "honor" killing due to his religion, although that wasn't mentioned from the majority of those sources reporting.

EDIT: Better link.

[Kyletherealninja]

I find it amusing that liberals seem to love Muslims so much when their Allah-lovin' friends seem to hate everything Western libbies stand for.

Personally I hope they never show Western movies in places like Saudi Arabia. It would probably just make them hate us even more than they do already.

[Roxie]

that was a really ignorant thing to say Kyle.

[nanashi]

I find it amusing that liberals seem to love Muslims so much when their Allah-lovin' friends seem to hate everything Western libbies stand for.

Personally I hope they never show Western movies in places like Saudi Arabia. It would probably just make them hate us even more than they do already.


Err.. Wow, no offense but recent statements that you have been saying have been getting more and more ignorant.

[Samurai_Pooh]

I find it amusing that liberals seem to love Muslims so much when their Allah-lovin' friends seem to hate everything Western libbies stand for.

Personally I hope they never show Western movies in places like Saudi Arabia. It would probably just make them hate us even more than they do already.

i take offense to this, I'm a liberal and I hate muslims, although i hate christians about the same amount

[Charrington]

I don't find anything extreme ignorant or controversial about what kyle said. The only real inaccuracies are the generalizations. I'd be interested to hear what exactly you're all so offended about.

[Silent Dob]

i take offense to this, I'm a liberal and I hate muslims, although i hate christians about the same amount


Why do you equally hate Christians? Is it because of all the suicide bombings they do? Or the way they oppress people for being raped and kill them and sentence them to jail? Or for the way they force women to be subservient? Or because they murder people for insulting Jesus?

[Fermented Yeast Paste]

I dunno, can I hate Christianity because of the millions of deaths that it has been responsible for the last couple thousand years? Can I hate Christianity because of evangelical Christians? Because of the largely backwards Southern Baptist Convention? Can I hate Jews because of some of Israel's policies in regards to the West Bank and the Gaza strip?

See where this gets you?

The only real inaccuracies are the generalizations.
Haha.

Wow.

[Charrington]

Why do you equally hate Christians? Is it because of all the suicide bombings they do? Or the way they oppress people for being raped and kill them and sentence them to jail? Or for the way they force women to be subservient? Or because they murder people for insulting Jesus?

Yeah, what have Christians every done to anyone? I mean, other than the crusades, the holocaust, the inquisition, the klan, the witch trials, blocking equality of the gays. I mean, besides the hundred of millions of people tortured killed in the name of Jesus what have Christians ever done wrong to anyone? Lay off of them ok.

Haha.

Wow.

Maybe you'd like to point to point out exactly what is wrong with what I said? Is it that you believe there are no Muslims that hate American values or that there are no Muslims offended by aspects of American culture? Or maybe you think all liberals hate Muslims?

You're the genius here, right? Everyone else on the forum is so backwards they're essentially cavemen, so, oh learnt one, go ahead and inform me.

I would wager the only thing you can say that's wrong about my statement is that the generalizations aren't offensive, and that's a matter of opinion.

[Urameshi YuSooKey]

NOTE: Just because a statement is offensive, does not make it ignorant. The important question is why are you offended?

[Fermented Yeast Paste]

Maybe you'd like to point to point out exactly what is wrong with what I said? Is it that you believe there are no Muslims that hate American values or that there are no Muslims offended by aspects of American culture? Or maybe you think all liberals hate Muslims?

You're the genius here, right? Everyone else on the forum is so backwards they're essentially cavemen, so, oh learnt one, go ahead and inform me.

I would wager the only thing you can say that's wrong about my statement is that the generalizations aren't offensive, and that's a matter of opinion.
What you said was pretty funny because it's the generalizations that are what's wrong with Kyle's post. It was a completely inane thing to say.

[akitaka]

I think that the way Charrington wrote it may have gone against his point in that Kyle's post was a double-edged statement; on one hand, considering the cultural state of Saudi Arabia, it's not totally off-hand to think that an increase in western content could intensify negative points of views. However its also probable that, over time, such feelings would mellow out in a sort of bell-curve where a rise in popularity and demand would eventually simmer down the anti-western extremism. You can't stay arbitrarily mad at a given group of people forever.

What you said was pretty funny because it's the generalizations that are what's wrong with Kyle's post. It was a completely inane thing to say.
It'd be great if you could post more like this before coming off as both snide and vain. Quit being a downer.

[MNJetter]

Yeah, what have Christians every done to anyone? I mean, other than the crusades, the holocaust, the inquisition, the klan, the witch trials, blocking equality of the gays. I mean, besides the hundred of millions of people tortured killed in the name of Jesus what have Christians ever done wrong to anyone? Lay off of them ok.
Blame the Christian religion for things it's responsible for, but lay off blaming it for things it had nothing to do with, please. The holocaust was begun by a half-Jewish guy obsessed with the occult and convinced that the Germanic ethnicity was superior to all others.

Also, the ku klux klan are not entirely made up of Christians, nor are they supported by any major Christian denomination. Just because many of their members happen to think they're Christian doesn't make it the fault of Christianity in general.

Also, "blocking equality of homosexuals" deserves to be in a list with the inquisition, the crusades, and witch trials? Please.

[Fermented Yeast Paste]

There isn't much evidence to support that Hitler had Jewish ancestors.

[MNJetter]

True. And the claim of occultist beliefs is questionable as well. But the fact remains that Hitler a) started the holocaust in the name of Aryan supremacism, not Christianity, and b) was never condoned by a denomination of the Christian religion.

I just think that attention should be paid to the difference between an actual organized religion doing something awful, and a crazed individual who happens to think he belongs to that religion doing something awful, either in its name or just for his own reasons. I could go to Times Square and shoot up a bunch of people, declaring my crime as being in the name of Christianity, but that wouldn't mean it's Christianity's fault that I'm an evil nutjob.

[stsparky]

Milton Mayer's insightful They thought They Were Free (http://www.amazon.com/They-Thought-Were-Free-Germans/dp/0226511928/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230074687&sr=8-1) does connect Christianity (when Lutheran clash with Roman Catholic mindset) with the later NAZI atrocities. Anyone who thinks otherwise is under informed.
back on topic:
The Saudis fund hate.

[Charrington]

What you said was pretty funny because it's the generalizations that are what's wrong with Kyle's post. It was a completely inane thing to say.

Maybe you missed the part where something being offensive is a matter of opinion? Can you read or does somebody read aloud for you? Because I'm pretty sure that person is trying to make you look like an asshole.

True. And the claim of occultist beliefs is questionable as well. But the fact remains that Hitler a) started the holocaust in the name of Aryan supremacism, not Christianity, and b) was never condoned by a denomination of the Christian religion.

I just think that attention should be paid to the difference between an actual organized religion doing something awful, and a crazed individual who happens to think he belongs to that religion doing something awful, either in its name or just for his own reasons. I could go to Times Square and shoot up a bunch of people, declaring my crime as being in the name of Christianity, but that wouldn't mean it's Christianity's fault that I'm an evil nutjob.

I don't want to be rude, but you have no idea what you're talking about.

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people

That's a quote from Mein Kampf which was published in 1925. If you read it, you'll see that Hitlers antisemitism was inseparably intertwined with his religion. And he didn't exactly start out as a cross burner and then pick up religion to justify that, quite the opposite actually.


Anyway, this wasn't the point. The point was that blaming Islam for Muslim militants is equivalent to saying Christianity is responsible for any of the things I list. Except it turns out that doesn't work because in 9/10 cases the catholic church or what have you supports these batshit crazy actions, while a very large majority of the Muslim world condemn their fundamentalists. American and Christian exceptionalism makes me lol. The pope never even condemned Hitler until like the past decade.


One could say that Christians are the scum of the earth.

[MNJetter]

I was ready to concede your point until that last line. Way to call my whole family scum.

[Charrington]

This seemingly idiotic and ignorant gimmick of his is pretty amusing, though. Actually, I'm not sure I'd say idiotic, but his reading comprehension has been shown to be pretty bad.

As I've said before, I'll take you seriously when you can point out a flaw in any of my arguments. Until then you're just a narcissistic, arrogant fuckwad. It's funny how you proclaim to be so intelligent but you can never actually say anything that even implies you have a hint of education or awareness. I mean, why don't you just kill yourself? What else are you good for? Think about that tonight when you're laying in bed. How do you justify the resources used to keep you alive?

I was ready to concede your point until that last line. Way to call my whole family scum.

You didn't seem to have much of a problem with the implication that all Muslims are suicide bombers. Should you be excluded from stereotypes because you happen to be white and Christian?

[MNJetter]

Actually, I'm not Christian, but that's beside the point. I do indeed have a problem with the implication that all Muslims are suicide bombers, but I figured that the rest of the forum would try tearing those implications apart without my help, so I left them alone.

[Citizen]

Stop spamming this thread, FYP.

[Fermented Yeast Paste]

As I've said before, I'll take you seriously when you can point out a flaw in any of my arguments. Until then you're just a narcissistic, arrogant fuckwad. It's funny how you proclaim to be so intelligent but you can never actually say anything that even implies you have a hint of education or awareness. I mean, why don't you just kill yourself? What else are you good for? Think about that tonight when you're laying in bed. How do you justify the resources used to keep you alive?
You are either overreacting or trying too hard to insult me. By saying that your post was inane I was pointing out the uselessness of your original post where you stated "The only real inaccuracies are the generalizations." Yes, duh, and those inaccurate generalizations were what people found offensive. Ergo, it wasn't entirely necessary for you to post that. I didn't find Kyle's comments offensive myself, I just found them ignorant and uninformed, and they most definitely are. Speaking of liberals loving Muslims is something I'd expect to read in a Free Republic thread.

[Urameshi YuSooKey]

This whole damn thread is a double standard.

[Digital Masta]

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks so.

[Roxie]

And in Galveston, TX, USA they like to charge 12 year old girls for resisting arrest after plain clothes officers mistake her for a prostitute and beat her. (http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2008/12/galveston_false_arrest.php)
I saw this comment on the story and it's a bit though provoking..
This story popped up on TheAgitator.com earlier in the week. The general consensus over there matches what some of the people here have mentioned: this wasn’t an arrest but a masked kidnapping. Not in some abstract sense of an unlawful or unjust arrest (which would be the same), but as in actual kidnapping. The basic important facts are that three cops who weren’t in uniform were in a windowless white van and attempted to pull a 12 year old girl off the street in the dead of night. They tried to silence her screams and attacked her while she struggled. They didn’t identify themselves as police to her or her father until AFTER enough noise had been made that they couldn’t reasonably bail. The police claimed, after the fact, that they were investigating a reported crime but the suspects didn’t even vaguely resemble the girl they attacked.

[stsparky]

Look, we're all different people. My opinions are pretty well known. I'll flare up when someone wants to spread fundamentalistic backwards thoughts from any source. I have no love for active terrorists. This is based on their actions against people like my fellow Americans, diverse Jewish brethren, or decent innocent bystanders. I think it is foul to sell one's religious brand as aid to those in need. Saudis fund hate. It has bit them at home. I won't go there and I think that as a Jew I am barred from doing so. The Emirates aren't bastions of equality or wild hippy love either. I'll not be partying in Dubai. Most slaves today (http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0221/p13s01-lign.html?page=1) from Africa will end up in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and the Emirates. But hey, 200,000 of the slaves today are in the US. We had the IRS recently rescue illegals from a sweatshop here in the Los Angeles area. There's plenty of crap to spread around.

[Beowulf]

Maybe you'd like to point to point out exactly what is wrong with what I said? Is it that you believe there are no Muslims that hate American values or that there are no Muslims offended by aspects of American culture? Or maybe you think all liberals hate Muslims?
You've never actually met a muslim before have you?

Edit:
Stop spamming this thread, FYP.
HA!

[Charrington]

You've never actually met a muslim before have you?

Edit:

HA!

Have you? Muslims are no worse than any body else. Case in point: You pegging all Muslims as close minded xenophobes. There's nothing else to add to that, I hope you can see the hypocrisy. Humans are easily manipulated, panic filled, overall barely above monkeys. This is why I have sex with monkeys. Muslims (And the Arabs I imagine you believe they all are, by the by Arabs have very legitimate reasons to hate the west) are the same as everyone else, you just happen to dislike them more because some of them have view points not aligned to yours. From a neutral standpoint, your views are just as flawed and flawless as theirs.

[Beowulf]

Have you? Muslims are no worse than any body else. Case in point: You pegging all Muslims as close minded xenophobes. There's nothing else to add to that, I hope you can see the hypocrisy. Humans are easily manipulated, panic filled, overall barely above monkeys. This is why I have sex with monkeys. Muslims (And the Arabs I imagine you believe they all are, by the by Arabs have very legitimate reasons to hate the west) are the same as everyone else, you just happen to dislike them more because some of them have view points not aligned to yours. From a neutral standpoint, your views are just as flawed and flawless as theirs.
Wow this is just a terrible troll.

[Fermented Yeast Paste]

Have you? Muslims are no worse than any body else. Case in point: You pegging all Muslims as close minded xenophobes. There's nothing else to add to that, I hope you can see the hypocrisy. Humans are easily manipulated, panic filled, overall barely above monkeys. This is why I have sex with monkeys. Muslims (And the Arabs I imagine you believe they all are, by the by Arabs have very legitimate reasons to hate the west) are the same as everyone else, you just happen to dislike them more because some of them have view points not aligned to yours. From a neutral standpoint, your views are just as flawed and flawless as theirs.
You have sex with monkeys?

[Myrsilus]

Okay this thread has gone off the deep end, so I'll just end this right now.

This thread might be reopened at a later time. Probably not.

[Citizen]

I'm through warning people not to spam GD anymore.