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Beowulf
11-15-2008, 08:04 PM
Nebraska Rethinks Safe Haven Law (http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/08/nebraska.safe.haven/index.html)
(CNN) -- Frustrated parents are dumping their teenagers at Nebraska hospitals -- even crossing state lines to do it -- and the state Legislature has scheduled a special hearing to try to stem the tide.

Nebraska's "safe haven" law, intended to allow parents to anonymously hand over an infant to a hospital without being prosecuted, isn't working out as planned.

Of the 17 children relinquished since the law took effect in July, only four are younger than 10 -- and all four are among the nine siblings abandoned by a man September 24 at an Omaha hospital.

On Tuesday, a 14-year-old girl from Council Bluffs, Iowa, was abandoned at Creighton University Medical Center in Omaha, Nebraska, just across the Missouri River from Council Bluffs. The case marks the first time a parent has crossed state lines to abandon a teenager in Nebraska, authorities said.

"The few situations we've seen so far demonstrate the need for a change in Nebraska's safe haven law," Gov. Dave Heineman said in a statement Monday. "In the coming legislative session, I will advocate for changes that put the focus back on protecting an infant in danger. That should be our priority."

All 50 states have safe haven laws, but only Nebraska's lacks an age limit. Nebraska's part-time Legislature is adjourned until January, but two state legislative committees will hold a joint hearing November 13 to discuss a remedy.

"They've got a huge problem," said Linda Spears, vice president for policy and public affairs for the Child Welfare League of America. "It's a pretty poorly constructed law to meet its original intent."

When it was introduced in the Legislature, the bill had a presumed age limitation of 72 hours, said Todd Landry, director of the state's Division of Children and Family Services.

"The original intent was to protect infants from the immediate danger of being harmed," he said.

However, the law's final language uses the word "child" and does not specify an age limit, leaving it open to interpretation. Other states' laws specify the maximum age at which a child may be relinquished, ranging from 72 hours in several states to 1 year in North Dakota, according to the National Center for State Courts.

"Clearly in these cases so far that we've seen, none of these children were in any immediate danger of being harmed," Landry said. "It is our opinion that the law does need to be modified."

The law is being abused, Heineman's statement said.

"Safe haven laws were not designed to allow families having difficulty with older youth and teenagers to abandon their children or responsibilities as parents," he said.
tl;dr
Nebraska passed a law allowing parents to drop off their children at hospitals to avoid the responsibilities of parenthood. They were thinking babies (probably under 12 months) but didn't actually write in an age limit. Now shithead parents are literally coming from all over to leave their children (of all ages, including teenagers) at the mercy of the state of Nebraska. Score one for humanity guys.

h2orowe
11-15-2008, 08:55 PM
Sometimes I think we should put restrictions on who can and can't breed.

Samurai_Pooh
11-15-2008, 10:34 PM
Whatever happened to leaving your rebellious teenagers out on the roadside of a farm where they can roam free

Sometimes I think we should put restrictions on who can and can't breed.

I think that is inevitable.

SlickWilly440
11-16-2008, 02:58 AM
LOL....thanks for posting this article. I can't stop laughing.

puzzo
11-16-2008, 03:08 AM
Parents: Hey kids, lets go to Nebraska!
Kids: What the hell is in Nebraska?
Parents: They just passed a new law that kids can eat all the candy they want.
Kids: Yayyyyy!!!
Parents: *Start packing all the childrens belongings and listing them on craigslist* Yayyyyyy!!!

:duh: Stupid Nebraska

Beowulf
11-16-2008, 05:25 PM
The best part of this comes when you realize that these people were just sitting around, watching the news, waiting for a sign...

Then one state (often times halfway across the country) passes a law that might, might allow them to be rid of their children, and they take off the fucking Fellowship of the Ring.

Roxie
11-17-2008, 02:14 AM
I don't know.
If you're in such a situation (Or such a person) that dropping your kid off in another state looks like a good idea, perhaps you should. It could probably be the best thing in a lot of situations.

Beowulf
11-17-2008, 08:44 PM
I don't know.
If you're in such a situation (Or such a person) that dropping your kid off in another state looks like a good idea, perhaps you should. It could probably be the best thing in a lot of situations.
No.

The adoption system is always worse. Always. Just because you're a shitty/lazy parent is no excuse to completely destroy your child's entire life.

Citizen
11-17-2008, 08:53 PM
No.

The adoption system is always worse. Always.

So if one child was raised by a caring, loving family who adopted them and a different child was raised by extremely abusive biological parents, the former would have lived the worse life?

Even for the kids who get stuck in foster care limbo, adoption isn't always worse than where they started. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.

stsparky
11-18-2008, 01:05 AM
I love my folks and I'm adopted.

Fermented Yeast Paste
11-18-2008, 02:28 AM
So if one child was raised by a caring, loving family who adopted them and a different child was raised by extremely abusive biological parents, the former would have lived the worse life?

Even for the kids who get stuck in foster care limbo, adoption isn't always worse than where they started. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.
I disagree with Beowulf on this but I don't think he was really thinking of foster parents, considering he said the "foster system" and not "adoptive parents are always worse than biological parents." He does have a point since the child services in this country are pretty screwed up right now, or as you say, the "foster care limbo."

h2orowe
11-18-2008, 02:49 AM
On the subject of shitty parents, I found this out only a couple months ago about one of my first best friends. When I was around 0-3 and a little before that, my mom would watch foster kids at our house. One of the foster kids was my age and we were great friends up until I was like 4 (I had to move cities.) Well, it turns out that when he was 7 or so, his real parents came back, kidnapped him, and murdered him. I forgot the details, but I think my mom said they chopped him into pieces and left him in the desert or something. Some people are pretty fucked.

Citizen
11-18-2008, 03:19 AM
I disagree with Beowulf on this but I don't think he was really thinking of foster parents, considering he said the "foster system" and not "adoptive parents are always worse than biological parents."

Roxie implied that giving a child up would "probably be the best thing in a lot of situations." One would assume that those situations would or at the very least could (as they can) involve a parent who is abusive or neglectful, or simply unable to raise a child properly. In response to that, Beowulf simply stated that the adoption system is "always worse."

So while he didn't mention adoptive parents specifically, he did say that putting a child into the system will always be a worse option, and when you make a sweeping statement like that, it does, in fact, include the comparisons to the truly awful, abusive parents whose only shred of humanity towards their children was finally giving them up. And while the system can be pretty awful, as you, he and I all know, I'm willing to bet that any given aspect of it is still better than having a parent who beats you, or something else on par with that.

Beowulf
11-18-2008, 04:48 AM
Child Protection Services exist to separate the insane from the lazy. Having a random drop-off system with zero documentation or oversight is a terrible idea and it's showing.

Also, I clearly wasn't knocking adopted kids. I'm knocking the system that takes care of the kids who don't get adopted, cause they are screwed. And the older a child is, the less likely they are to be adopted. Seriously, I've met some really fucked up people, and the most fucked up were the ones who grew up in foster limbo.

Kannon
11-28-2008, 09:18 PM
FYI (and maybe some/most already know this...) but most states already have safe haven laws similar to what Nebraska instated, however they have age limitations (gauged in months...) and the Nebraskaa Gov't is already amending this new policy to match those of others, so if you have 1 yr + old children you'd like to dump on the state of Nebraska, better get driving.

Kannon
11-28-2008, 11:54 PM
ITOTP: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MF'ING HUSKERS!!!!!!

BTBAU.

akitaka
11-30-2008, 07:04 AM
However, the law's final language uses the word "child" and does not specify an age limit, leaving it open to interpretation. Other states' laws specify the maximum age at which a child may be relinquished, ranging from 72 hours in several states to 1 year in North Dakota, according to the National Center for State Courts.

Great foresight. Awesome use of tax dollars. Bravo.