Filesharing programs: what's good?

[Azrael]

I came back from my vacation to find my favorite P2P program, WinMX had gone down. I hates the RIAA.

Anyway, WinMX was my primary program. What do you guys use? Also, does anyone know anything with a large Japanese community on it? The Japanese base on WinMX was good, so it wasn't hard finding things on it, but it's gone now...

[Zonehunter1]

Alot of filesharing programs are being struck down so at the moment, it is hard to do anything with filesharing.
Bad copyright laws Bad.

[Jay]

Ares - www.aresgalaxy.com
eMule - www.emule-project.net
SoulSeek - www.google.com (sorry)
Limewire - www.google.com (sorry again)

You can find a lot of good stuff on torrent if you're willing to grab a BitTorrent client - check google for BitComet, it's very good and easy to use. Good torrent sites: www.mininova.org, www.torrentspy.com, www.bitenova.org

(Edit: Stupid edits! :mad: )

[Invictus]

I recommend eMule (www.emule-project.net). The file diversity is good, it doesn't swamp your computer with viruses and spyware, and the downloads are generally reliable.

[Pete]

Limewire and Soulseek are the best out there imo.

[Shamu]

Soulseek FTW!! I used to use WinMX too, until I found Soulseek. I actually like it better than WinMX.

[Rogue_7]

yeah, limewire is my poison of choice. At least for the next month or so till they get shut down too! :-(

[Jay]

I hate Soulseek. I always get big long massive queues. :(

Ares is only good for single tracks, by the way, not whole albums. Just thought I better point that out.

I also use a couple of sites to download music from.

[whispering]

Bad copyright laws Bad.
Yeah, fuck the artists. They shouldnt be payed for their job *sigh*

[Intense]

direct connect ++ is generally pretty good

and what i can't find there i use torrent sites for

[Shii]

I usually just use DC++ and Bittorrent.

[MeneerDijk]

limewire or www.volkomenkutstijl.com wich has complete albums, with any uck there's something you'll like...dont ask what the URL means though :D

[Jay]

I know what teh URL stands for! :D

I have that site bookmarked. :)

[renegade]

DC++ has only one good thing about it

it cant be tracked by the RIAA cause it uses privet hubs

though i find it somewhat complicated

i use Emule and bearshare

[Azrael]

Thanks for the recommendations all.

Downloading doesn't really affect my buying decisions. If I really want something, I buy it. I mostly just download the stuff I want to see but wouldn't buy given the choice, and single music tracks if I don't want to buy the whole album. Especially in Japan, I hate the concept of singles CD's.

Maybe I'd have more sympathy for the artists if the ones crying foul the loudest weren't already the richest.

[Jay]

Ares is definitely the best if you're after single tracks, Jeff. I've never known Ares to give you a whole album, just various songs sometimes not even based on your search criteria.

[Sardaukar]

Limewire doesn't suck much. Use Limewire.

[whispering]

DC++ has only one good thing about it

it cant be tracked by the RIAA cause it uses privet hubs
LOL, dont count on it :p
and single music tracks if I don't want to buy the whole album.
Dont they have legal download sites for Japanese music? I know theres shit load of sites for at least European and North American music.
Maybe I'd have more sympathy for the artists if the ones crying foul the loudest weren't already the richest.
If your source is the big news agencys, then of course you only hear from the "celebritys". Listen underground, and the tone changes to small labels closing, pretty popular artists doing side jobs cause its impossible to make a living with music. E.g. in Finland, theres only a handful of artists that can do music as their primary job.

Also the big labels usually release records from "non profitable" artists, without the Britney's they couldnt do that. Though i understand that you do buy records/movies you like, your from the generation that is used to buying them. Cant say the same for the next one.

[ChronoSphere]

DC++ and Bittorrent > *

[usethendestroy]

Depends on the os and pipe you're hooked on to.
For different flavors on *nix bittorrent is the tool for getting recent releases. I personally use azureus which is a bit of a resource hog, but gets the job done. http://azureus.sourceforge.net

Urls for downloading torrents:
http://www.myspleen.com/
http://www.demonoid.com/torrents/
http://www.filelist.org/login.php
http://empornium.us/ (I only read the articles about flyfishing, honest)
http://thepiratebay.org/
http://www.torrentbytes.net/

Some require registration or an invitation.

Now bittorrent has a mandatory "share" policy so If you're on an asynchroneus line be prepared to cap off your upload or suffer the effects of bandwidth saturation and watch as your rx drops.
This can be done with the clients own regulator or via outside daemon or tool. Wshaperd is a good daemon of choice for linux and Netlimiter is a nice one for windows(pay the price or get a crack).
Oh, and the bittorrent protocol handles capping upload as " bandwidth throttling", if you limit it via the bt-client, some clients and peers tend to cut you off or choke you back. This means that the rx-speed you receive will be lower if this limiting wiil not be done via outside client.

Direct connect is good for downloading older releases, but support for *nix is low. Valknut http://dcgui.berlios.de/ is the only viable option, a bit of disappointment in terms of being a buggy POS and getting your ass kicked from hubs if you don't modify the source to report a proper client, i.e. dc++.
Dc++ is a nice client for windows, but misses some options like a multiuser download, http://dcplusplus.sourceforge.net/ .
Also some of the clients suffer from security holes, dc++ had a one where you could browse the entire root of the shared system.

Also irc is a nice option, some books appear pretty quickly on irc and can be downloaded via almost any client that supports dcc, mirc modified via sysreset scripts http://www.sysreset.com/ is a good option for windows.
On *nixes I presume you already have an irc client installed as nothing works without consulting your peers for help :).

If you happen to have an unearthly speedy connection in rates of 10Mb/10Mb:s and 10GB of free space, open up a dump for the zcene and have your movies and music uploaded for you.

I know some routes for japanese releases, but they tend to be meant for a closed circle. Idle around in irc and I'm sure you'll find them too.

[Pfalzer]

http://www.cyber-crimes.ws

All you need!

[InsertWapNameHere]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share_%28P2P%29

Also worth looking into soulseek.

[Your Biggest Fan]

KCeasy uses the same networks of WinMX, Gnutella and Ares. you might want to try it.

[more cheerios]

SoulSeek is only good if you like indie music and smaller unknown programs. Oh, and if you don't let people upload off of you, they cut your access off.

Personally, I like Limewire.

Oh... file sharing isn't illegal. At least, not for me. In Canada (I thought it was in the states, too) it was deemed legal for "personal uses only" under a grand jury.

[God Hates You]

www.warez.com

Something that actually works... WinMX is slow and you can only search for music.

Also Try www.phazeddl.com

[more cheerios]

Only music on WinMX? Hmm, I thought that my friends used to find RAW movie files on there all the time.

[God Hates You]

Yeah but no games or program...

[Shinohara]

If you're looking for japanese content your best bet is WinNY, it's a japanese port of WinMX for most intents http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winny
has links to the site as well as the english translation (same software, just translates all the buttons and menus. Apparently it's the most popular P2P app in japan .

[Shadowblade]

I use Limewire and it works pretty well.

[Illusion]

Actually there are two patches available to allow you to connect back to the WinMX network. Maybe you want to have a look at the patches while you are searching for a new client? This link will bring you to the patch sites.
http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14368

Currently, I'm using BitComet (torrent) and eMule (ed2k). I use WinMX long time ago, it's good for music.

[danielh]

nup, Shareaza 2 is pretty good, i've d/l heaps of jap music from there and it is also compatible with Bit Torrent

[Jon885]

I use ares but all I download is music.

[Samwise]

Yeah, fuck the artists. They shouldnt be payed for their job *sigh*

The per-album cut that's given to artists is a fucking joke.

At max, 7 cents per song to the band.





Also- Azeureus for Torrenting.

[Pierrot le Fou]

I use bittorrent.

http://www.isotorrent.com for searching, I think. Azureus (already linked) for downloading. And of course I only read the articles on fishing in the general forum of the empornium website. And give everyone else bible scriptures disguised as hardcore porn. My ratio is 6.5:1 for that reason. Honest.

[Kass]

I like Shareaza 2, though lately it primarily runs downloading books and porn for my boyfriend. I've managed to slip in a song or two in between. I'd rather buy the album if I really like it. I want the jacket information.

eMule and eDonkey are currently on the RIAA target list and have had portions of their network shut down, mostly the software side. Neither are long for this world based on RIAA's past history.

[whispering]

At max, 7 cents per song to the band.
Royalties are about 25% of the value of the CD (VAT Excluded), at least here.

[more cheerios]

Yeah, fuck the artists. They shouldnt be payed for their job *sigh*

Hah!
Filesharing, if anything, have given the artists more money.
It a better way to get your music out there. Better advertising.

And you do realize that the majority of the profitable income that artists receive is not from the CDs necessarely, but the concerts, tours, royalties and merchandise, right?

[whispering]

And you do realize that the majority of the profitable income that artists receive is not from the CDs necessarely, but the concerts, tours, royalties and merchandise, right?
Wow, that sounds cool. Now how an electronic music artist does an "concert" exactly? Why i havent found any merchandise from the artists i listen? I mean if their main income comes from those, then many people must buy them, right? ...and how do they get royalties if nobody buys their CD's? If they make their income from other areas, then why do they even bother releasing records?

Also what good is a reputation among people that steal everything?

[Kass]

The per-album cut that's given to artists is a fucking joke.

At max, 7 cents per song to the band.





Also- Azeureus for Torrenting.


They get a lot more than that. Those are only royalties and underestimated at that, not the sum total of their compensation, including contractual and marketing payments.

[Zonehunter1]

And what about when they sue a person for downloading?
In michigan i heard that a 12 year old girl might be sued for downloading songs.

[more cheerios]

Wow, that sounds cool. Now how an electronic music artist does an "concert" exactly? Why i havent found any merchandise from the artists i listen? I mean if their main income comes from those, then many people must buy them, right? ...and how do they get royalties if nobody buys their CD's? If they make their income from other areas, then why do they even bother releasing records?

Also what good is a reputation among people that steal everything?
Last time I looked, it was called "file sharing" not "file stealing". It would be the same as recording something off of the radio. I don't see anyone bitching about that. Nobody did in the seventies, the eighties, the nineties...
This is only a problem because people make it a problem. :|

If your band doesn't sell merchandise or have concerts, they most likely don't sell CDs in major stores, anyways. That means they are most probably indie, and if that's the case, their CDs are probably like 5 bucks. And you probably can't download their stuff.

Electronic music artists? Good ones are DJs. They do venues. Hell, no matter who they are, they could probably do a venue. DJs make a lot of money. And if they aren't big enough to do a venue, then you most likely can't find their music on a p2p program. Most electronic music artists have free downloads on their sites, anyways.

On a side note, most bands/musicians do have merchandise. It's a key part of the marketing plan, even if they artist is so small that they only have a few hundred fans.

Trust me, a file sharing program is not going to put anyone out of business any time soon.

[Kenshin]

IRT topic: Az, you might wanna try www.isohunt.com for searching too (using bittorrent.) I use ABC (http://pingpong-abc.sourceforge.net/) (Another Bittorrent Client) for downloading torrents and it works fairly good. I also use eMule Plus (http://emuleplus.info/) and Ares; eMule for anime and large albums and Ares for individual songs.

[Janken]

I use BearShare Pro.

[whispering]

Last time I looked, it was called "file sharing" not "file stealing".
Yes, you can call it whatever you like. Doesnt change the facts though.
It would be the same as recording something off of the radio. I don't see anyone bitching about that. Nobody did in the seventies, the eighties, the nineties...
Yes, they play full albums on radio so you can record them, usually they also play exactly the albums you want to hear at that moment, amazing isnt it?
If your band doesn't sell merchandise or have concerts, they most likely don't sell CDs in major stores, anyways.
I dont really listen to "bands". But records from the artists i listen are sold in major stores. Maby, just maby the fans of other styles then rock, listen music for the music, not to wear a t-shirt.
Electronic music artists? Good ones are DJs. They do venues. Hell, no matter who they are, they could probably do a venue. DJs make a lot of money. And if they aren't big enough to do a venue, then you most likely can't find their music on a p2p program. Most electronic music artists have free downloads on their sites, anyways.
This makes me wonder why i even bothered to reply. You have absolutely no idea what your talking about. How about you only reply to the parts of my post you know something about, eh?

[eyez0nme]

Azreal, everything has spyware if you install P2P.

Only LIMEWARE, does not...

have a single spyware.

Limewire.com

[Sock Full of Boiled Dimes]

Azerus is my choice, but it seems as if everyone likes these other torrents so I might try them.

[Shamu]

Azerus is my choice, but it seems as if everyone likes these other torrents so I might try them.
I use Azureus for alot of things too, I haven't had a problem with it yet.

[Samwise]

Royalties are about 25% of the value of the CD (VAT Excluded), at least here.

Finnish RIAA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> America's RIAA.

[Pierrot le Fou]

People are ignoring the fact that while bands do get a majority of their money from things other than music sales, it's the music sales which decide which bands get their concerts promoted, merchandise made in bulk, and get to play bigger venues. Since it's difficult to have any grasp of how much music is being 'shared' on a daily basis, it's not as if the companies can log onto Limewire and get a concept of how many downloads of a certain band there are across the internet. They can figure out approximately how popular it is/how many people have it on Limewire, but that's only one sharing medium of many.

It's stealing. Plain 'n simple. I buy the albums of the bands I like to assure that they will make more albums. It's the same way I buy games/software (shareware) that I like, to give the creator incentive to make more. Money is a great motivator, and 9 times out of 10, the $10-30 I spend on something is well-spent.

[Invictus]

What about music that I'd like to listen to, but wouldn't otherwise purchase?

Just a question. I have a whole long list of arguments on intellectual property, but I have no inclination to go into them at this point in time. :P

[Pierrot le Fou]

Well, we can go over them some other time or whatnot if you'd like, but you're not going to convince me that copyright infringement is somehow a wholesome activity. You're taking advantage of someone else's work without paying for it. The law may not list it as stealing, but it is. Manslaughter isn't the same as murder, but you still killed a person, whether intentional or just a well-placed punch in a bar fight.

[Invictus]

Not much point in debate, then, as I am not a big fan of intellectual property as an inherent right (rather than something contractually established). I rather think we'd end up slinging debate at each other to no ultimate effect. :P