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laggedreaction
01-27-2008, 11:40 PM
Go to a foreign country on holiday, get sick, have your kids taken away and strip searched....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/devon/7206570.stm


Anger over girls' strip searches
Katie (l) and Gemma Bray
Katie and Gemma had all their own clothes taken away
Two British girls were sent to an orphanage for 30 hours and strip searched after their mother became ill during a holiday in the US.

Gemma Bray, 15, and her 13-year-old sister Katie also had their clothes taken off them and were asked if they had been abused or were suicidal.

Their mother Yvonne Bray of Appledore, Devon, says their human rights were infringed by the authorities.

She was hospitalised with pneumonia during a trip to New York.

The Administration for Children's Services in New York has declined to comment on the matter.


I'm not guilty of anything other than getting ill in a country without family or friends
Yvonne Bray

"What should have been the trip of a lifetime turned out to be a complete disaster from start to finish," Ms Bray told BBC News.

"I was going to give the girls money for their Christmas, but with the exchange rate being so good, I decided to book the trip to New York.

"This was their Christmas present and it was totally ruined."

The family flew out to New York on 27 December. When Ms Bray began coughing later that day, she initially put it down to her asthma and the air conditioning on the flight.

The following night, she became more unwell with laboured breathing and was admitted to the Queen's Medical Centre in Harlem.

Yvonne Bray
Yvonne Bray said she had now received a letter from social workers

But Ms Bray was told her daughters could not stay with her at the hospital as they were minors.

"A doctor told me they would make the arrangements, then a few hours later a social worker arrived and said they'd try to find a foster family for the girls," she said.

"Instead of that they were taken to a orphanage and subjected to the kind of treatment you wouldn't even expect criminals to go through."

The frightened teenagers had their clothes, including their underwear, removed and were issued with a uniform of T-shirt and jeans before being spilt up and given a medical examination.

"Being away from Mum when you are alone in New York in an strange place with people you don't know - it's just scary," said Katie.


You didn't know how long you'd be there or if Mum would get better
Katie Bray

"At first it was so shocking - it was as if it wasn't happening but then it hits you.

"You didn't know how long you'd be there or if Mum would get better."

Photographs were taken and the girls were told they would not be allowed to visit their mother in hospital.

When the duty social worker told Ms Bray her daughters could not leave the orphanage, she discharged herself from the hospital against medical advice.

She said: "I was so cross. I didn't sign anything saying they could be examined or interrogated - they even asked them if they had been raped.

"They had to shower in front of strangers. What they went through would be a breach of anyone's human rights, let alone two girls on holiday."

'It's disgraceful'

Ms Bray has now received a letter from the Administration for Children's Services (ACS) to say she is now being investigated.

"It's disgraceful, but I'm trying to totally dismiss this," Ms Bray said.

"It seems like a standard letter because the children have been entered into the child care system.

"I'm not guilty of anything other than getting ill in a country without family or friends."

A spokeswoman from ACS told BBC News it was an "entirely confidential matter" and the department would not comment.


Wow, I wonder if this will affect very many British families considering a New York Holiday.

Oh well, the economy is great, don't need their tourism anyway....

Shishio
01-28-2008, 01:16 AM
And this is why I'll never visit the U.S.

Urameshi YuSooKey
01-28-2008, 01:26 AM
And this is why I'll never visit the U.S.
Me neither. :-)
Being a citizen is much better.

Mechs
01-28-2008, 01:34 AM
Well thats the way the system works. I had a friend of mine that went throught a similar process. From what my friend was telling me, alot of those kids were either very violent, or just plain loco half the time. So it really doesn't suprise me to hear what happened to those girls.

Fermented Yeast Paste
01-28-2008, 01:40 AM
Well thats the way the system works. I had a friend of mine that went throught a similar process. From what my friend was telling me, alot of those kids were either very violent, or just plain loco half the time. So it really doesn't suprise me to hear what happened to those girls.
So because other kids are unruly, what happened was okay?

Roxie
01-28-2008, 01:48 AM
wow, that's so crazy

stsparky
01-28-2008, 01:50 AM
Boing Boing covered this.

The family rebounded and had fun. The question is the behavior of the hotel and that their embassy wasn't notified. Family Services is the last organization you'd want involved.

Roxie
01-28-2008, 02:01 AM
I was wondering why that didn't make ANY sense. They're visiting from another country why the hell was family services contacted??

Mechs
01-28-2008, 02:05 AM
So because other kids are unruly, what happened was okay?

Did I say it was ok? No. I just said that's how it works.

MNJetter
01-28-2008, 12:52 PM
Shishio, would you rather visit a place that would kick the kids out on the street during hospital non-visitation hours rather than giving them food and shelter and adult supervision?

The article used a lot of biased phrasing in an attempt to get their point across, but I'm still not sure exactly what is wrong with what happened to the girls. Specifically, what exactly was it that violated their human rights? While their mother was unable to care for them, they were put in the care of a facility that gave them, at no charge, complete care while their mother was incapacitated. Are British people so sensitive that "have you been raped?" is the ultimate offensive inquiry? I'm sure their uniforms weren't as stylish as their normal clothes, but it probably would have been even more awkward if they were let loose in the building as the only kids with street clothes on.

qwert
01-29-2008, 02:38 AM
Wow, I didn't know the US was so endearing to non-citizens. No wonder so many uneducated, poor, illegals risk their lives to come here. Probably would have put the girls in school as well if the mother was sick long enough.

Shishio
01-29-2008, 04:13 AM
Shishio, would you rather visit a place that would kick the kids out on the street during hospital non-visitation hours rather than giving them food and shelter and adult supervision?

My comment stemmed more from my (perhaps cynical) perspective of the U.S. than indignation over this specific incident.

I suppose the hospital was not willing to let the kids stay due to liability issues, but I can't help but feel seperating children from their mother when they're all visiting another country is a bad idea. And if you must, don't scare them further by asking them prying questions straightaway.

Assuming the article is accurate, I can't help but feel the situation was handled poorly.

qwert
01-29-2008, 07:20 AM
My comment stemmed more from my (perhaps cynical) perspective of the U.S. than indignation over this specific incident.

I suppose the hospital was not willing to let the kids stay due to liability issues, but I can't help but feel seperating children from their mother when they're all visiting another country is a bad idea. And if you must, don't scare them further by asking them prying questions straightaway.

Assuming the article is accurate, I can't help but feel the situation was handled poorly.

What if they had been raped?

Karthak
01-30-2008, 07:08 PM
Wow, this sounds retarded beyond comprehension. If I had been one of those kids then I would have been fucking furious if they asked me if my mother was abusing me. Mindless bureocracy at it's finest.

Citizen
01-30-2008, 07:17 PM
The article sounds like it was written by someone who was most likely on the verge of having a rage stroke. Is there a slightly less biased article out there?

I can't help but think that "had their clothes taken off" actually means "they were asked to change". The way the article is worded makes the reader think that giant men in white suits picked the girls up and tore their clothes off and then tossed them into an Oliver Twist style orphanage.

Then again, most BBC articles about America are worded that way.

Urameshi YuSooKey
01-30-2008, 07:47 PM
This article acts like they were tortured or something. What else could have been done? They are tourists in a foreign country whose primary caregiver is incapacitated. letting them hang out at the hospital is a serious liability. The same thing probably happens in Britain several times a year.

Roxie
01-30-2008, 08:02 PM
EMBASSY MUCH ANYONE?

japanat
01-31-2008, 12:03 AM
The abuse questions, while apparently unwarranted, are standard whenever Child Services pick up children. They don't know the details of why the kids need to be picked up while their mom is sick, and they probably err on the side of "she's a drugged-out crack whore" since they see so-o, so-o-o-o much of that.

Asking them to change their clothes would be acceptable, a strip search would not.

Scary for the girls, no matter what, though.

erbiumfiber
01-31-2008, 01:43 AM
Having grown up with foster kids from New York City, I can attest to the fact that kids who enter "the system" are usually pretty streetwise and have been through a lot. Hence asking them to change clothes. It would not be unusual for even young kids to have drugs on them (sometimes just because the kids are drug couriers for mom and dad).

It's harsh but the kids who end up in NYC social services are pretty harsh.

Honestly, the girls had A LOT more to fear from the other kids in the shelter than the authorities.

Unless I was unconscious, I would not allow myself to be separated from a minor child in a strange city.

Still a pretty lousy experience. "Why I don't live in New York," part 863.

God, I hate New York.

Scarabomb
01-31-2008, 03:56 PM
So this whole article is based off the fact that the kids couldn't stay in the hospital so they were sent to an orphanage?

If this is the case, is there a chance they could have been adopted had the mother decided to stay in the hospital?

Another thing is from the posts that are being posted and the article itself, this article must be EXTREMELY misleading then because I kept picking up "DON'T VISIT AMERICA WITH KIDS!! THEY TAKE THEM TO FAR AWAY PLACES AND TORTURE/INTERROGATE THEM!!".

Sorry but this style of writing threw me way off of what was really happening in their situation.