Return of the Hachiroku? (AE86, car enthusiasts here)

[Masa the Masta]

http://www.gtchannel.com/content.php?cid=4243


Okay. As soon as I pay off this '06 Corolla, I know what I'll be trading in. :clap:


ABOUT FUCKING TIME, TOYOTA.

[Urameshi YuSooKey]

For as long as I've been on this board you have been the only memeber that talks about cars, the only one. I think OP9 as a whole must not be a car enthusiast haven. I myself don't know shit about cars except I like it if they are fast. Mae a thread about cars, Masa. What makes you like and why and encourage others to post pics and compare specs.

[Shuft]

Change Toyota to Mazda and put a rotary in it and I'm in.

[Jay]

For as long as I've been on this board you have been the only memeber that talks about cars, the only one. I think OP9 as a whole must not be a car enthusiast haven.

It isn't - it's mainly about Japan. The people who gather here obviously bring other facets of their own personality, and for reasons I'm unable to fathom, cars and sports are in the minority. ...Wait, scratch that, I know why.

I used to talk about cars all the time with Masa, but it was us, just us, constantly, and over time, I just couldn't be bothered anymore.

A dedicated car thread is a great idea.

[Urameshi YuSooKey]

That red sox thread was the only sports-related thread i can think of since i came here(about 10 months ago).

[Jay]

I tried appealing to Azrael once... jeez, THAT was a while back... about a dedicated sports forum, because I love me sport, I'll follow anything. He said make a thread, which he stickied, and see if that gets much discussion.

It didn't. Died in the arse pretty heavily.

[Masa the Masta]

Change Toyota to Mazda and put a rotary in it and I'm in.

But then it loses it's sub-$20k goodness. It'll just be a car with a bit more power than its size could ask for (assuming it's got forced induction, fuck the N/A Renesis), making it a slightly larger than a miata that looks like a distant cousin of like...the Civic SI.

[Jay]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with normal aspiration.

[Shuft]

But then it loses it's sub-$20k goodness...
That is why I cry myself to sleep every night.

Mazda has shown they can make cheap fun to drive cars. All they need to do is make a hardtop version of the miata, replace the engine with a FI renesis, and call it the new rx-3. That could be done for less than 20k.

Then the realist in me points out that even if they made it, they wouldn't sell it in the US because nobody would buy it. Then I got back to crying myself to sleep.

[stsparky]

We had an godly "what do drive thread" . I'm down with cars as a topic.

I miss my 87 Legend Coupe.

[jindojim]

I thought your whole obession with the AE86 was because it's a simple car that performs well. As a gateway to learning about learning how to do car maintenance. This...isn't the AE86. Try tinkering with this, and you'll lose whatever warranty comes with it. And any respect from your idol Keiichi Tsuchiya ;)

Besides, it has the same basic design as a Scion tC...just that it would be FR.

Nissan 240SX S13. That is all :P

[Jay]

hai guys
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/51079/mercedesbenz_slk55_amg.html
very do want

[Masa the Masta]

I thought your whole obession with the AE86 was because it's a simple car that performs well. As a gateway to learning about learning how to do car maintenance. This...isn't the AE86. Try tinkering with this, and you'll lose whatever warranty comes with it. And any respect from your idol Keiichi Tsuchiya ;)

Besides, it has the same basic design as a Scion tC...just that it would be FR.

Nissan 240SX S13. That is all :P


First of all, who says I'd tinker with this during the first few years I'd own it??

I'd wait until I hit about 40 thousand miles (after the factory warranty expires, which honestly doesn't last long enough IMO) and then start doing a few things.

Besides, TRD parts don't void any warranty, sucka. :clap: And you can bet your booty that they'll make parts for this car (they'll cost a bitch, but still)

Furthermore, FR makes a world of difference. And 240's are played out. Bleh. I'm not really interested with the KA motor it comes with stock, nor do I really feel like the natural progression of things and putting a SR20 and dumping almost 3 grand just to pull decent figures, while being street illegal in California.


I could probably hit about 150 wheel horsepower and keep it very streetable. This isn't the kind of car you go balls to the wall with...that's more like a Miata. Ooooh...my friend told me that some crazy fuckers put in an SR20DET in one..

'kay, I'll stop. :fever:

[Jay]

SR20 in a Miata... now there's an idea...

[RoxFontaine]

It isn't - it's mainly about Japan. The people who gather here obviously bring other facets of their own personality, and for reasons I'm unable to fathom, cars and sports are in the minority. ...Wait, scratch that, I know why.

I used to talk about cars all the time with Masa, but it was us, just us, constantly, and over time, I just couldn't be bothered anymore.

A dedicated car thread is a great idea.

That's not the only thing in minority. This board is really pompous.

That car is cool though. The price point is crazy. Mod fans will have a field day with it. I'm a Honda man myself though.

[Chris]

Meh, at least its something. Not enough horsepower I don't think, not in todays world where Evo's run 12's for only 36k. But at least RWD is a step in the right direction.

I want Toyota to start doing sports cars again. But Toyota isn't gonna start doing sports cars again until America's ready to accept them, no matter how badly I want a new MR2 or Celica GT4.

I'm looking to buy an MKII Mr2, love those cars. My Z31 300zx is just a pain in the ass to work on. It's not even the engine space problems that the Z32 suffered. It's the way they designed the engine. It makes absolutely no sense, at all when it comes to maintenance.

[RoxFontaine]

Why in the hell would a grown man want to drive a Miata!? Talk about a chick whip.

[Chris]

Who mentioned the Miata?

But, um, Miaita's do kick ass. Anyone like handling? There's a reason why people use them in AutoX all the time. I've also heard that they're little beasts with boost.

[Plekto]

Yay. I *knew* they would have a replacement for the MR2 eventually. It looks clean and classic. I can hear the whine of aftermarket superchargers already...

[jindojim]

Eh, 240s may be played out. But I still have to have love for the first car I bought :P Not that I'll buy it again though once I start working.

But, I mean your options seem to be either driving it around til it reaches 40K miles and then start working on it or buying TRD parts (which are expensive as hell and you'd have to wait for anyway). I'm not saying that it's a bad car to own. However, I'm sure you'll be tempted to tinker with it sooner rather than later. If that's the case, why not just go for the original AE86? :) And then save money for an Evo. It's ONLY $36,000 according to Chris. What steal!

Plekto: This would only be a replacement for the MR2 if it had a RR drivetrain...

[Chris]

And then save money for an Evo. It's ONLY $36,000 according to Chris. What steal!



Well, considering you had to pay upwards of 35k to 40k to get a car that ran 14's in the 1990s I'd say 36k isn't too bad for what you're getting; I never said it was cheap. But hey, don't let me impede on your sarcasm.


-edit- Not to mention that straightline speed isn't really what the Evo's for, you're getting a car that'll out handle 99% of the other cars on the road stock for stock.


btw, MR2's were MR drive train. Mid-Engine rear wheel drive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MR_layout

vs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RR_layout

[Plekto]

Yeah I know. But I was talking about the lack of a small sporty car from Toyota in general. There's a big hole in that segment and also the Supra which is still "being planned"/appears to be vaporware.

[RoxFontaine]

I didn't get to make it out to the Tokyo Motor show this year. I'll pick up a picture book and see what I can dig up for y'all.

[TommyA]

I consider myself a car fanatic! To the point I WAS considering making either an online or paper car magazine when I was in High School!

I have owned a TT Z32 300ZX (doesn't get any better), I got my ex to buy a RSX Type S, which I used for autoX when my Z was out of order (very frequent...), got a 240SX, and pulled some amazing numbers with the KA (Masa, I am ashamed at your comments on the KA! Much better at low end than the SR20, and there are so many turbo kits available, it would be stupid NOT to turbo it and get an SR20. All street legal btw, I lived in CA just like you!), and my best friend here in Nagoya, owns a R32 GTR, and an AMG Wagon. He let me drive the R32 once thinking I couldn't drive it, and he was impressed at how I naturally control the car and wants to see me on the track with it (he has video of him in it at Suzuka Circuit, passing cars left and right, then going head to head with a ferrari, can't tell the exact model, but at the end he finally passes it on a corner!).

Cars, sports, and many other things are my LIFE, but they just aren't frequently talked about here. Example: My football team is doing better than they have done since I have been a fan, and I smell Super Bowl for the Green Bay Packers! But since, none of them have spikey hair, speak Japanese, buy used panties from vending machines,etc., not many people would care...

[Intense]

Bad news about the new ae86 based car. Check on http://www.7tune.com/?p=112 for more details and you'll find out that this car will only have a wussy little motor from Subaru. This puts the car at an even lower p/w ratio than the original ae86. If Toyota were serious about it they should just slap in a 1zz-fe or 2zz-ge. Or at the very least offer this engine as an option for a few extra grand.
The Subaru motor they want to put in it is a peice of crap. Sohc boxer motor. So if you want extractors/headers, it's gonna cost you twice as much. Turbo kit will be a pain in the arse too. And the boxer lay out has no benefit other than cost in this situation. At this point in time though nothing is set in stone so things may change down the track, which I hope they do. For now I'll just enjoy my own ae86 :D

[Chris]

I consider myself a car fanatic! To the point I WAS considering making either an online or paper car magazine when I was in High School!

I have owned a TT Z32 300ZX (doesn't get any better), I got my ex to buy a RSX Type S, which I used for autoX when my Z was out of order (very frequent...), got a 240SX, and pulled some amazing numbers with the KA (Masa, I am ashamed at your comments on the KA! Much better at low end than the SR20, and there are so many turbo kits available, it would be stupid NOT to turbo it and get an SR20. All street legal btw, I lived in CA just like you!), and my best friend here in Nagoya, owns a R32 GTR, and an AMG Wagon. He let me drive the R32 once thinking I couldn't drive it, and he was impressed at how I naturally control the car and wants to see me on the track with it (he has video of him in it at Suzuka Circuit, passing cars left and right, then going head to head with a ferrari, can't tell the exact model, but at the end he finally passes it on a corner!).

Cars, sports, and many other things are my LIFE, but they just aren't frequently talked about here. Example: My football team is doing better than they have done since I have been a fan, and I smell Super Bowl for the Green Bay Packers! But since, none of them have spikey hair, speak Japanese, buy used panties from vending machines,etc., not many people would care...


Nice. TT Z32's are nice, but they're not fun to work on, none of the 300zx's are. I still enjoy mine though.

Where did you AutoX? I've been looking to get into it. Once I either do some work on the 300zx's suspension, or maybe just sell it for an MR2 I'll look at getting into it. I'd rather not do it in my Celica.

[Plekto]

I just don't get it. Toyota is entering Nascar of all things. Yet comes out with... they have no soul anymore. Even their trucks are losing it and turning into the Japanese GM.

Honda... even blander, but they DO have a few gems that shows that they still have a pair under those tan golf pants.

I looked at a Boxster today, btw, and it kicked ass. Toyota needs a car like this badly, because jellybean Corollas and Camrys won't ever inspire me.

My favorite is the older MR2. One of the cheapest 150mph cars that you can possibly buy, along with the older 300SX(Supra was an ugly toad, sorry...)

[Jay]

(Supra was an ugly toad, sorry...)

Die in Hell. :mad:

[Plekto]

Heh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Supra
Let's get to it model by model:
The first and second generation was pretty iffy and ugly. No question about it - not a supercar. 140-160HP wasn't a big deal when Porsche was making cars like the 928S4.

The third generation was good looking and fast as hell. I like this one. Quite a lot, in fact. Fast, gorgeous, and light. 250+HP, twin turbo, and all the goodies.

The Fourth gen... Heavy, ugly, and well... the toad of the family. It's just.. something went wrong and it lost its soul. CA models have no turbo, some years have no manual available... And it's just so fugly.

So techinically the Supra isn't ugly... well, ONE of the models isn't.

But to be fair, the MR2 also had this problem.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_MR2

The third Gen suddenly got nasty, small, underpowered, and ugly as sin. 220HP in Japan(200HP+ in the U.S.) suddenly was 138P. ACK! 0-60 went from 5.6 seconds to 8.3. *cry*

Anyways...
We need a REAL car again from Japan to look up to.

[Jay]

The 2JZ-GTE is one of the all-time great engines to tune, and when you can do this (http://paultan.org/wp-content/Toyota_Supra.jpg), well, you have a small idea of what attracts me to Supras in general. :D

Personally, while I've always been a fan of the Mark II and III models, second Gen for the looks (tragedy, right?) and the third Gen for that wonderful 1JZ engine, MkIV is where my heart is.

[Shuft]

I really want one of these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autozam_AZ-1).

Tiny, ridiculous looking, mid-engined car with gullwing doors. What more could you want (besides more than 2/3 of a liter of displacement)?



PS Supras are boring. If you start quoting dyno stats I will vomit.

[Jay]

Don't worry, I won't. :D I'm a purist.

And those Autozams are fucking boring.

[RoxFontaine]

Yeah, a dude I used to work with had an Autozam. Absolutely horrid.

Plekto, just wait until the new GT-R comes out! ;)

[Intense]

You want the re amemiya 20b AZ1, then you're talking :D

[Chris]

But to be fair, the MR2 also had this problem.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_MR2

The third Gen suddenly got nasty, small, underpowered, and ugly as sin. 220HP in Japan(200HP+ in the U.S.) suddenly was 138P. ACK! 0-60 went from 5.6 seconds to 8.3. *cry*




From what I heard it the third gen was about as small as the first, but the third gen handled better than any of the other generations. Some people are also swapping at Celica GTS engine with 180 hp in there. Fun.

[Masa the Masta]

I consider myself a car fanatic! To the point I WAS considering making either an online or paper car magazine when I was in High School!

I have owned a TT Z32 300ZX (doesn't get any better), I got my ex to buy a RSX Type S, which I used for autoX when my Z was out of order (very frequent...), got a 240SX, and pulled some amazing numbers with the KA (Masa, I am ashamed at your comments on the KA! Much better at low end than the SR20, and there are so many turbo kits available, it would be stupid NOT to turbo it and get an SR20. All street legal btw, I lived in CA just like you


Actually, I'm pretty sure strapping on a turbocharger would be pretty illegal, for smog reasons and I wouldn't wanna get pulled over and asked to have my hood popped when suddenly. "Wut's dat dem hair dryer u gawt goin' on thar sunny boi?"

Yeah.

I agree though that the DOHC KA is a good car to turbo, you do get that low end torque but at the same time, that's assuming that the engine is pushing the same numbers as like, reasonably close to stock SR20 numbers. As you go higher, the KA can't handle what the SR20 can do, just depends on where you wanna go.

But if you know what you're doing, with some luck in the junkyard, you could make a reliable KA pushing stock SR20 figures with that better low end, for a cheaper price than an SR20 swap. :)


Personally though, I'd much rather love to drive a F20C powered Miata. Yes, a Honda engine. It's been done, among shitloads of other things; that's what I love about the Miata. You could do LOTS to it, and it performs like a champ!

And Tommy, I envy you. :( You've driven an R32...? (And not just a Golf on steroids either, I mean the real deal Skyline, and not a G35 with some badges re-arranged) Damn! Is it bad for me to say that one of the reasons why I want to go to Japan is because of the cars? That sounds superficial, but whatever. Everyone's got their calling.


One of the things I HAVE to do while in Japan is attend a racing event. I don't mean like night time dorifuto exhibitions or insane wangan runs or something (though I'd be down for that too), I'm talking like SuperGT or a D1GP event. Race queens! Sick as fuck cars! Damn!

Okay, I'm getting out of hand here.


And as for the shitty power output in Toyota's would-be FR, nothing an engine swap can't fix. If I can remember correctly, you can put any engine into your car provided it's from the same manufacturer, and it's the same year or newer.

I know of supposedly a swap where MkII MR2 owners will take out their engine and swap in a V6 Camry engine and Supercharge it with CARB legal parts, keeping the car street legal and ultimately faster. :)

And as for the Supra, I think the car's a great car. Heavy, but damn fast. This is the car that can hit astronomical ponies without touching that bottom end very much...very nice. 'Course you need $$$$ though.. :/


And as for the Evo, I'd never get one. Not worth it in the long run. My friend used to tech for WORKS, and he said Evos were the biggest pain in the ass ever, because Mitsubishi would cut corners on the car to reduce production costs, that's why things would rarely be to spec, and things would end up breaking prematurely like their six speed transmissions; which is why a lot of people would switch to a five speed.

[Intense]

Nothing wrong with wanting to goto japan for the cars. That's one of the main reasons I'll be going and I know of a few other guys who've done the same thing. You can see them on you tube streeter / laurence.
We're lucky enough to get s13's and 180sx's here with the real deal sr20det. But it's a pretty uninspiring motor stock. Honestly I hate them and would go a s5 fc3s over a silvia or 180sx any day. The sr would have to be one of the worst sounding motors I've ever heard. The exhaust note sounds so crap. The induction noise is gluggy and boring. Sounds like a truck when worked.
Do you guys in the US get chaser/mark2's? The jzx8x, jzx9x and jzx100 models?

[Chris]

And as for the Evo, I'd never get one. Not worth it in the long run. My friend used to tech for WORKS, and he said Evos were the biggest pain in the ass ever, because Mitsubishi would cut corners on the car to reduce production costs, that's why things would rarely be to spec, and things would end up breaking prematurely like their six speed transmissions; which is why a lot of people would switch to a five speed.

That's a shame.

I know of supposedly a swap where MkII MR2 owners will take out their engine and swap in a V6 Camry engine and Supercharge it with CARB legal parts, keeping the car street legal and ultimately faster. :)


Yeah, I'd read about that. There was a Lexus V6 swap into an Al-Trac as well as a Lexus V8 Swap.

[jindojim]

Just some thoughts:

1) I hate when I say RR when I mean MR.

2) I like the BMW M3 better than the Toyota Supra TT. They're both comparable cars, but I have to give the edge to the M3 because it's a lot classier to most people, as well as being a great sports car. I think that the Supra has more of a reputation with the "import tuner" crowd in America than the general public.

3) Californians seem to have the raw end of the deal with their high emissions standards. In North Carolina where I had my 240SX, emissions aren't checked for cars over 12 years old. Turboing in my KA or putting in an SR20 or even an RB would probably have been possible (provided I had the $$$). However, I think doing an SR20 swap is the best for the 240. In reality, most 240s for sale have been treated rather poorly, so their stock KA isn't always in the best of conditions. Putting in a relatively new SR seems to help with a lot of the problems, unless you want to rebuild the KA.

4) When I was living in Japan, there were a lot of great cars that I saw on the road when I was going to work. R34 GTRs, Supra TTs, STis, etc. However, the car I would definitely want to own in Japan is the Nissan S15 Silvia. It's not the fastest of cars, but I think it's great looking and zippy enough for me. My fiancee likes the Fairlady Z though. I wouldn't mind owning one of the number of Ferrari 360 Modernas and Lambos that I saw on the road too though. ;)

5) Rox: I'd definitely looking forward to the Nissan GT-R. I think it's sexy as hell, even if it's supposedly rather heavy. I'll probably have to wait a long time before I could even afford one though, since that $60-70K pricetag is rather steep. Maybe I could get it after I pay off all my student loans in the distant future, heh. In the meantime, I'd settle for that Infiniti G37 coupe for half that price. I think it would be in my price range after school...maybe :P

[Plekto]

http://flathood.saliv8.com/history.php

That's very high up on the top of my list as well. Light, good handling, and a big turbo. Gave the M3s of its day a serious headache.(evil grin)

2400lbs and 350HP(1986). Needless to say, if you can find one, buy it :) The standard street version isn't bad, either, since 157HP can easily be twaked to 200+ by boosting the turbo and applying a few mods.

[Urban~Ninja]

See im a car fan but not in terms of performance, i'm more of a mod up the look of the car and make it look and sound great.

Thats what ive been doing to my 99' BMW 318ti, just got all new leather in it (it was cheap since my mum is an upholstery person) and im re-doing my speakers this month.

the AE86 is easily the best looking of its kind, im a sprinter fan myself but thats just me, if i actually cared for racing i would get a Fairlady Z from my uncle who has one and a Silvia which he barely uses.

[stsparky]

http://www.iceposter.com/thumbs/A10131_b.jpg
This car rocked save that I was cramped in it. You can't have everything.

[Shuft]

As much as I hate living in Iowa, there are some benefits. No emissions standards at all. If it runs and has working lights it is legal.

[ESPayne]

And as for the shitty power output in Toyota's would-be FR, nothing an engine swap can't fix. If I can remember correctly, you can put any engine into your car provided it's from the same manufacturer, and it's the same year or newer.

I'm pretty sure that the engine would have to have been available in the car. I know that you can put an SR20 in any Silvia/180 and still get it registered. At least as far as registering it as a "normal" car.

It is possible to get a car registered with an engine from a different model and even manufacturer, but then you get into having to register it as "modified." But I think there are still limits on the "modified" registration. I know a guy that had a Surf or Terrano and putting in an old Chevy V6 in it when the original engine died. When the V6 died he put in a V8, but they wouldn't let him register it with a second different engine so he had to junk it.

The same guy ended up buying a Chevy pickup a little while later. The funny part was that they recommended that he put one of those plastic covers over the bed, and install an intercom from the cab to the bed. This changed it from "normal" to "modified," but somehow registration was a lot cheaper. I didn't understand how, but he actually saved a bunch of money even with buying and installing that crap.

Anyway, I'm hoping to find out some more about registering/shaken on older cars soon. I found a 1969 Charger R/T (440!) that I'm hoping to get next month. I'm really hoping I can get this car!

[RoxFontaine]

I found a 1969 Charger R/T (440!) that I'm hoping to get next month. I'm really hoping I can get this car!

Go to hell. :eyepop:

[ESPayne]

Go to hell. :eyepop:

I'm afraid that if I do get the Charger I may end up there a little before my time. Ha!

[Jay]

...you found a '69 440 in Japan?

Good luck to ye. I expect full reports and photos when you pick it up. ;)

[Jay]

Bump for greater justice.

[ZaichikArky]

Hurray car thread! My bf kind of made me interested in cars. I told him about that AE86 car and he's really interested in it, but he intends to keep his Scion XB for a while. Speaking of the Scion XB, what do you think of box-shaped cars? I realize that in America, the only Box-shaped car available on the market, if I'm not mistaken, is the Scion xB. Anyway, they're VERY popular in Japan nowdays. I haven't been paying so much attention to all the brands, but the Nissan Cube is one of the most popular: http://www.ebloggy.com/blog.php?username=StaceyWilson&id=1&entry=98 . I used to think that the scion xB was really ugly, but it kind of grew on me, especially since my BF bought one. Now I think box-shaped cars are pretty cute in their quirky ways.

I would really want to buy a rear-wheel steering car because I want to learn how to drift IRL and supposedly rear-wheel steering makes it easy. There are also some nice places I could practice *cough* highway 17. Seriously, that thing is the most dangerous highway I've ever been on. I used to drive it all the time to get to/from school. Both my dad and friend had accidents on it. And I want to learn how to drift on it >_>. I think I'll go play Initial D some more : ).

[ESPayne]

Well, I went to look at the Charger yesterday. If I was in the States, I wouldn't hesitate getting it, but I'm not so sure here. Parts will take longer to get here, and of course it will be harder to find/get them. And I don't have a garage. Ha!

The engine sounded great, which really surprised me. Ha! I totally expected it to be on its last leg. It's not the original engine, but I'm not worried about that. I'm just glad it seems to run good.

I said "seems to run good" because I didn't get to actually drive it. Unfortunately, they couldn't get the shifter to work. Ha! They put a B&M (auto) shifter in, and the shift knob came off. I've never used or had a friend that had this model of B&M shifter so I really don't know how it works, but I guess you have to pull up on it to put it in gear. (I had a friend with a rachet shifter, but I guess this model doesn't work that way.) They are going to fix it, and call me when I can come back to drive it.

The body seems straight, but it was pretty dark by the time I got to see the car. It needs a paintjob but I was already planning on having it painted anyway, so that doesn't bother me. The trunk was great, no rust. Something I wasn't too into was the fiberglass hood. Ha! I'm not too crazy about having to take the hood off to get to the engine. At home this isn't a big deal, but would really suck if I was out somewhere.

From what the guy told me, Shaken for the Charger isn't much more than my Siliva. But the Road Tax is about triple. Ha! I'm going to call my insurance company to find out how much it would be. I'm planning on the Charger being a project/weekend car. There's no way I could trust it as a daily driver over here, even if it was in perfect condition.

I'll be sure to post an update on what happens!

[Plekto]

Just say not to Franken-cars.

Stick with a good, clean classic and you'll never go wrong.