Intel Official: Say goodbye to Privacy

[ak24]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071111/ap_on_go_ot/terrorist_surveillance_9

[ZaichikArky]

I love being an Amerikan. God save us, Hillary.

[Shishio]

We haven't had privacy for years.

[Roxie]

Great.

Soon we'll revise the whole dictionary. Waterboarding really ISN"T torture!

[Excel-2008]

I know all of your IPs. What's it to you?

[Angelyne]

I love being an Amerikan. God save us, Hillary.

FYI, Hilary voted in favor of the PATRIOT ACT (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00313). Anyone who voted for that abomination doesn't give a shit about privacy.

[Roxie]

but she said she's sorry!

[Citizen]

Most of the people who voted for it are probably sorry that they didn't bother to read it. Kinda like most of the things they vote on.

Needs more Nader. At least he doesn't cover up the fact that he's batshit insane.

[phenyl]

"War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is strength"

Ol'George was right on the money.

[MNJetter]

The current government reminds me a bit of a stage magician - Doing one thing with grand motions and lights and special effects (war with Iraq) to distract the public from what it's really doing (not sure, but it seems to involve undermining basic constitutional rights).

[blank slate]

He's a fool if he think the government and others housing all of this data can actually keep it safe. How many times has someone with veteran's information lost a laptop?

[ZaichikArky]

but she said she's sorry!

Word XD. Besides, I said that only because I see it HIGHLY unlikely anyone else will win the Democratic nomination so whoever the latest scumbag on the republican side is, I hope they pick a nicer scumbag like Giuliani at least so if someone beats Hillary, they'll at least have half a brain.

[Roxie]

Rudy "9/11" Giuliani? I'll pass.

[ZaichikArky]

^who do you think the best candidate for that nomination is?

[belladonna]

privacy was stripped from us with the advent of the internet


hilary is the spawn of the devil. go ron paul, or obama...

[Roxie]

^who do you think the best candidate for that nomination is?
I haven't looked deeply, but from what I've seen, none of them do it for m.

[belladonna]

then pick your own candidate, write in

[Citizen]

privacy was stripped from us with the advent of the internet

Not really.

Also, silly Dems, going with candidates that won't be able to kick the Republicans out of the White House. I'm all for a female president, a black president, a black female president, a gay Mexican hunchback president, or even a mute, no-armed, mentally handicapped, Mongolian president who used to be a yak farmer, but really, I just don't see any of them winning in 2008, even with as sick of Bush, and, through association, the Republicans, as people are.

At the very least, they could have gone with a female candidate who isn't associated with her husband's adultery, the Patriot Act and making stupid faces during every speech.

[ZaichikArky]

Maybe they'll forgive and forget because she's not a republican.

[belladonna]

why can't we have a libertarian president? at least not someone as god-awful as clinton. let obama be the dem candidate, at least he appeals to the younger generation, the generation that needs to vote

[Roxie]

How is Hilary associated with Bill's adultery? And why is the implication that it is some how her fault? And what people don't make stupid faces when speaking? And how does that bear any weight on her qualifications?

[Citizen]

You have no idea how elections work, do you?

There's a reason why politicians dig up dirt on each other. It's because many people are stupid and irrational, and will decide not to vote for a candidate based on something from their past, even if it wasn't their fault.

I never implied that Bill's adultery was her fault, but anything that lingers in the back of people's minds like that does influence voting. Which is a shame.

Edit: Also, the stupid faces comment was completely non-serious.

[Citizen]

why can't we have a libertarian president?

Because not enough people vote for them?

at least not someone as god-awful as clinton.

Personal shortcomings aside, he wasn't that bad of a president.

let obama be the dem candidate, at least he appeals to the younger generation

He does?

[Angelyne]

why can't we have a libertarian president?

Ron Paul was the Libertarian Presidential candidate in the 1988 election. Does that count?

Not really.

Also, silly Dems, going with candidates that won't be able to kick the Republicans out of the White House. I'm all for a female president, a black president, a black female president, a gay Mexican hunchback president, or even a mute, no-armed, mentally handicapped, Mongolian president who used to be a yak farmer, but really, I just don't see any of them winning in 2008, even with as sick of Bush, and, through association, the Republicans, as people are.

At the very least, they could have gone with a female candidate who isn't associated with her husband's adultery, the Patriot Act and making stupid faces during every speech.

I agree completely.

I'm done voting for the Democrats for a very long time. They need to realize that being against Bush and the neo-cons does not make one an automatic shoo-in to vote Democrat. And furthermore, the public elected them in the major 2006 election to put an end to Bush's insanity, but they have barely tried. It's disgusting when the Republican party is starting to appeal to me more despite the last seven shitty years under Bush.

I'm going to vote for Ron Paul or a third party in 2008. I haven't decided which one yet.

[Citizen]

Ron Paul, for me. As it stands right now, anyway.

[Radiance]

(Quoted stuff from Belladonna about internet and no anonymity followed by "Not really."

That is partially true for some and partially not true for others. Some rather large "custom" (read: build computers on an assembly line) computer shops have and have had for a while the policy of putting basically what amounts to a hardware key logger linked directly to the ethernet cards they provide. They refuse to comment on their existence or what their purpose is, but they've been reported repeatedly over the years.

[Roxie]

You have no idea how elections work, do you?
I do know how they work, thanks. I am simply asking you questions, to get answers, from you or some information you may have run across that would bring you to those conclusions, silly. Much more so the latter.

[Trump]

I do not believe we have privacy now at all. It is just a fact of life. I mean look at your cell phone bill. It already lists every single call you made or received and the duration of the call. It also lists every single data transaction you've made. So do you really think you have privacy? Computers record pretty much everything, and if you think your password is that secure you have issues. Most people have to write down their passwords or risk forgetting them among the thousands of passwords they need anyway. Really, the reason things are private for the most part is that, quite simply, no one cares. So I think it is important people realize there is no privacy and perhaps working towards government "safegaurding" is a step in the right direction.

[MNJetter]

There is a big difference between the phone company keeping a record of where you called (they've been doing that for decades, at least with calls like long-distance that cost money) and actually listening in on the content of that call. I personally would rather that people not read my emails or listen in on my private calls. It's not that I have anything to hide. It's just my business, and I'd like to keep it that way.

And if you pay for stuff in real money (cash) like people used to, you can have plenty of privacy. It's not that privacy doesn't exist. It's that most people don't know they're giving it up, because they're so caught up in the convenience of plastic money. If you leave a data trail, of course there's going to be a record for it.

At least with money, you still have a choice whether to give up your privacy or not. I don't particularly care if there is an option out there that involves lack of privacy, so long as the option to preserve privacy still exists.

[Trump]

With all the video survellance in this digital world, I don't feel like there is much privacy. I actually wonder sometimes if there isn't someone who just watches people and laughs at all the dumb things they do.

[Citizen]

With all the video survellance in this digital world, I don't feel like there is much privacy. I actually wonder sometimes if there isn't someone who just watches people and laughs at all the dumb things they do.

There is. Bob Saget.

[ZaichikArky]

^word.

Also, AFHV hasn't been the same since he stopped being host >_>. Bob Saget was the best comedian ever.

Anyone watch "The Aristorats"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aristocrats_%28film%29

[Roxie]

Bob Saget was the best comedian ever.
I must ask....You're kidding right?

[Jetsetlemming]

I must ask....You're kidding right?
Have you seen any of his recent stuff? Don't judge him by Full House. :P

Of course, he's not the best evar. But he's certainly not the sterilized, family-friendly comic you'd expect.

[Citizen]

The only recent Bob Saget thing I've seen is Farce of the Penguins, which is one of the worst things I've seen in my entire life.

[ZaichikArky]

Of course, he's not the best evar. But he's certainly not the sterilized, family-friendly comic you'd expect.

I have kind of a.... really strange sense of humor which makes virtually all comedians not funny to me.

My favorite comedian evar would probably seriously have to be Dave Chappelle, but he quit his own show so I was really sad.

Also, yes, Roxie, don't judge a comedian based on what movie/show they were on. It's like basing George Carlin off Bill and Ted... and basing Bill Cosby off the Cosby Show(even Bill Cosby is pretty hilarious, just in a more family-friendly nature).

[Roxie]

Have you seen any of his recent stuff?
Unfortunately.

[ミュー]

I stand outside on my balcony nude everyday and wave my American pride at all of the Japanese spies :D

[MurphBurger]

FYI, Hilary voted in favor of the PATRIOT ACT (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00313). Anyone who voted for that abomination doesn't give a shit about privacy.

Which is why Ron "Fuck the Patriot Act" Paul > everyone else

[MurphBurger]

How is Hilary associated with Bill's adultery? And why is the implication that it is some how her fault? And what people don't make stupid faces when speaking? And how does that bear any weight on her qualifications?

Cuz she screams that she's a frigid bitch when she doesn't have a camera pointed at her and answering questions from people that were paid to ask those specific questions