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dzee
10-02-2007, 08:06 PM
It amazed me that for all the talk about college campus shootings and the obesity epidemic, this hasn't been talked about, not at all. So, here.


Burmese monks 'to be sent away (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7022437.stm)

Burmese people eat on the streets of Rangoon
Monks are absent, but people in Rangoon are going about their lives
Thousands of monks detained in Burma's main city of Rangoon will be sent to prisons in the far north of the country, sources have told the BBC.

About 4,000 monks have been rounded up in the past week as the military government has tried to stamp out pro-democracy protests.

They are being held at a disused race course and a technical college.

Sources from a government-sponsored militia said they would soon be moved away from Rangoon.

The monks have been disrobed and shackled, the sources told BBC radio's Burmese service. There are reports that the monks are refusing to eat.

The country has seen almost two weeks of sustained popular unrest, in the most serious challenge to the military leadership for more than two decades.

The authorities said 10 people were killed as the protests were dispersed, though diplomats and activists say the number of dead was many times higher.

The banned opposition broadcaster Democratic Voice of Burma has issued a picture which they say shows the body of a monk floating near the mouth of the Rangoon river.

Last week several monasteries were raided, and there were reports of monks being beaten and killed.

With many monks behind bars, the demonstrations have now died down.

I don't want to think the 13 monks (well, those reported so far) have died for nothing. As much as I do want a democracy to dawn upon this country, however, I doubt the military government will relinquish its power just like that.

I am touched by the monks' sacrifice, though, and I find their determination and the love for their people incredibly moving. It's heartwrenching to see how these people are dying for what we all take for granted. I also find it terribly disgusting when people say they cannot be bothered about it, just because they can't do anything about it. For me, it's one thing to recognise or feel that you cannot do anything about this; it's quite another to think it worthless or to say they cannot be bothered to pay any attention to it.

Here's a last quote:
Their eyes are on the international community, their only hope is that the world will see their plight and help them.

I also thought I'd include this link, whether you believe online petitions helpful or not. It's your choice, afterall.
http://www.avaaz.org/en/stand_with_burma/


So, am I the only one who feels so strongly about this? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this, of course - which is why I actually bothered to start this thread. :)

Beowulf
10-02-2007, 09:06 PM
This has been going on in China for quite some time now. Just because the president has been going on about Burma to distract us from Iraq doesn't mean it's a new issue. If you really want to get your panties in a bunch over this kind of thing there's a little place called Tibet you might want to look up.

PopCulturePooka
10-02-2007, 10:45 PM
Probably helps when you get venemous at someone Beo, that you make sure you have your facts right?

Dzee isn't from America, so the whole 'President smokescreen brainwashed you' gibe doesn't really cut the cheese.

Over in Australia Burmas a constant chestnut and is in the news regularly. It's just in the news a whole lot more right now.

Radiance
10-03-2007, 12:45 AM
They had to keep the infection from spreading through Raccoon Cit... I mean Rangoon city. Damned umbrella corporation masquerading as the government. Every time. :O Seriously, I can't stand a government that would oppress monks. They punish themselves enough as it is. x.x

Plekto
10-03-2007, 01:56 AM
What's sad is that the rest of the world thinks that economic or diplomatic sanctions will save their lives.

The fact is that there were several thousand killed. The few reports that are coming out suggest widespread police crackdowns and numerous people dissapearing. Basically anyone that they can find dissapears. This is quite likely the most aggressive government other than North Korea when it comes to internal police actions. Maybe even worse - like a miniature Soviet Union with guys as hard core as Stalin in charge.

And the monks will be marched to a shallow grave. (or held in a prison camp and worked/starved to death - same difference) That is, unless someone gets in their face with some really big guns in the next few days.

Too bad there's no oil there. Then you'd see the place taken over in weeks.

Man, my country depresses me sometimes.

Chuckles
10-03-2007, 03:05 AM
Myanmar* actually makes quite a bit of money off of the sales of oil and natural gas, IIRC.


Good try though.

Edit : Silly me, so stuck in the past. Too many damn war movies as a child :p

Edit-edit : Now that I think about it... what is the official name? I've seen both cited as official by multiple sources, but I never bothered to actually find out which one is correct.

ZaichikArky
10-03-2007, 03:06 AM
There is a thread in the Japan section.

Plekto
10-03-2007, 03:56 AM
Yes, I know they have some oil and gas, but it's a blip compared to anyplace in the Middle East. Plus, China will buy it no matter what they do. And supply them with arms as well. Got money? China's got no morals!

羽之助
10-03-2007, 04:00 AM
It's the Union of Burma, actually. The military government changed the name to Myanmar after throwing Aung San Suu Kyi's lot into prison. For more, check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burma#Etymology

Myanma is the literary name of the country, while Bamar is the spoken form. Like if everyone called the UK "Blightyland", then a military government decreed that "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" is the ONLY form that may be used.

Chuckles
10-03-2007, 05:22 AM
Ah, thanks for clearing it up.

MeneerDijk
10-03-2007, 05:30 AM
It's been in the news here too. There have been people calling for a boycot of Total gas stations because of their affiliation with the Junta governement of Birma. Also, the Dutch world radio service has started broadcasting into the country on short-wave radio, making it harder for the governement to interfere with the signal.

PopCulturePooka
10-03-2007, 06:58 AM
Myanmar is what the Junta calls it, but the rest of the world refuses to acknowledge it.

In fact last week Condy Rice came out and siad the US will never call it Myanmar and will always call it Burma

dzee
10-04-2007, 11:13 AM
Also, the Dutch world radio service has started broadcasting into the country on short-wave radio, making it harder for the governement to interfere with the signal.

the content regarding - ? :confused:

MeneerDijk
10-04-2007, 12:37 PM
the content regarding - ? :confused:

Independent news.